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Just Sayin’

Republican KY Senate Candidate Rand Paul on The Rachel Maddow Show:

Maddow:… How about desegregating lunch counters?

Paul: Well what it gets into then is if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not privately owned, then do you say that you should have the right to bring your gun into a restaurant even though the owner of the restaurant says ‘well no, we don’t want to have guns in here’ the bar says ‘we don’t want to have guns in here because people might drink and start fighting and shoot each-other.’ Does the owner of the restaurant own his restaurant? Or does the government own his restaurant? These are important philosophical debates but not a very practical discussion…

Maddow: Well, it was pretty practical to the people who had the life nearly beaten out of them trying to desegregate Walgreen’s lunch counters despite these esoteric debates about what it means about ownership. This is not a hypothetical Dr. Paul.

Segregation questions should not be this difficult to answer.

[via Huffington Post]

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9 thoughts on “Just Sayin’

  1. where he screwed up is the last comment about philosophical questions. other than that, yea, people oughta be able to decide (in their own place of business/private property) what they will and will not allow. the problem is we’ve been so programmed to think that we have to care for these people or be PC in this scenario or that. I don’t want a random stranger caring for me, or helping me, or making sure i dont get offended or my feelings hurt. Do you? Just let people do whatever the hell they want and as long as it’s not hurting anyone… who cares?

    • I don’t really care if a random stranger “cares” for me but I sure as shit care if they refuse to serve me simply b/c of race, sex, or whatever. There are certain things that have to be regulated and the ignorance and racism of a significant portion of the country is one of them. That’s the point here. This is why libertarianism always falls apart at the point where people are just generally stupid assholes and should not be left to their own devices.

      • James S. on said:

        The libertarian thing looks good on paper, but it doesn’t really work in the real world. People have demonstrated time and time again that they are not ready for, nor are they worthy of, an unregulated world.

  2. so wouldnt the solution just be not to eat there anymore?

  3. i agree with you guys though that libertarianism has it’s hang ups and there certainly are some grey areas (race, gender, education, etc) but are you guys against the KKK having a meeting on their own private property?

    I just think if people made their own choices… (obviously having a segregated lunch counter isn’t a very good one) then let them…. and if we chose not to patronize such places, like any normal human being would… the problem solves itself.

  4. If people had stopped patronizing those places then there would have been no need for the civil rights legislation which banned discrimination in the first place. Just because something is your private property doesn’t mean that you can do absolutely anything you want there. There are a wide variety of laws of what you can/can’t do on private property. The KKK falls under freedom of speech which is much different than preventing someone the equal opportunity to receive a good or service solely based on their color, sex, etc.

  5. They aren’t hurting anyone though are they? I guess it’s just a sad world when we’ve gotta regulate people from being close-minded, racist, morons.

  6. They’re not punching anyone in the face, but I don’t see how you can deny there’s hurt in segregation. The whole notion of segregation is that one race, sex, etc. is not worthy of being with another. I’m really not sure where you’re coming from on this one. We have a large sample of history that shows us that segregation did not/will not work and that it causes a great deal of problems.

  7. aaron b on said:

    I’m gonna back off this one for a few different reasons but mainly b/c it doesnt seem like we’re getting anywhere. I realize that a question like the one posed to Rand Paul is a very difficult one for the libertarian argument and i applaud Rachel Maddow for asking it. I don’t, however, think that Rand Paul’s response is idiotic by any stretch of the imagination. He’s giving the people the choice, and the benefit of the doubt to make their own decisions and letting capitalism do it’s work instead of having to enforce unnecessary laws on it’s people.

    I’m not racist, not trying to promote segregation or anything of the sort. I just believe in the goodness of people and that we have the ability to regulate ourselves and that economics and free-will will eliminate the need to enforce laws like that on a private business. But i agree, this is a really touchy subject and a hard one for the libertarian agenda. But, IMO, his response definitely wasn’t idiotic. Maybe a little far-sighted but not idiotic.

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